Nissan Patrol 4x4 (Africa)

Agree with you,

I believe in cubic inches and cannot see that a 20 bi turbo diesel will do 400k km like my troll has. Two colleges at work have had engines replaced before 100k km.



My opinion only

Valid points, both Grant and Frans; my aim was to get realistic, apples-for-apples comparison ito running costs. The emotional aspects of ownership are taken care of; I love them both.

Both vehicles have their idiosyncrasies and those I accept fully, so this is not a 'which one should I choose'-scenario.

I am also not intending to drive a vehicle till 400k, unless I know that I will be 1. Able to and 2. want to.

Thanks for the feedback.

Grant wrote:Agree with you,

I believe in cubic inches and cannot see that a 20 bi turbo diesel will do 400k km like my troll has. Two colleges at work have had engines replaced before 100k km.

My opinion only

Were these Amaroks, Grant?
Else what make?

I agree you need cubic inches for crawling, else the torque is too uneven, and too little before the first turbo kicks in.
But the bigger concern is reliability. Thus far I am a little surprised that the 2 litre Roks have lasted as long as they have - overall spreaking of course.
(There had been a few hotly debated individual engine failures documented on the Community forum)

Alex Roux wrote:There had been a few hotly debated individual engine failures documented on the Community forum

Not aware of these Alex; I've heard of diffs, LR motors and the torque convertor on the Auto for 2 guys, but not aware of these?

ECU problems and Intercooler needing replacement.
Correction, not engine failure per se.

...and I can replace the word "surprised" with "impressed", given the number Roks around, that the small engine has not had any (or otherwise very few) failures.

Alex Roux wrote: ECU problems and Intercooler needing replacement.

Correction, not engine failure per se.

Ah ok, makes more sense now. The ECU-topic is rather controversial; mine went for the upgrade and I am happier than before, while some of the guys weren't impressed and claimed their performance dropped off.

To be honest, I am also rather impressed; mine is driven like a go cart in town (not exactly being drawn through one's backside but driven hard and seeing a lot of stop-start traffic as well as very enthusiastic open road travels) and it is still sweet after 60k kms. I do take good care of it and am meticulous, but not overly pedantic. I really do love it, but I cannot be blindly loyal about new technology in a DC under SA conditions.

Things may happen.

But then again, they may not and the Rokkie could end up surprising us all.

Cheers!

Hi Alex,

These were Amacrocs and both engines were replaced by VW which is excellent service. Not sure if any other suppliers would do the same.

As for torque I am of the opinion and Peter C can comment that the additional difference on our diesel 4,2's is the rotating mass of the engine components and fly wheel. If compared to smaller engines, this additional momentum would prevent the engine from stalling at slower speeds, hence giving the 4,2's and advantage when traversing rock areas and sudden inclines.

Peter waiting for your comment on this

My worry is it hasn't got low range .......wat happens when u need to go back against compression and the gears are not there to assist ??? The rok is fine for overlanding ect but will stay away from proper trails ect again not the same tipe of car cant really compare the 2 but it is only my opinion.

Tinus lotz wrote:My worry is it hasn't got low range .......wat happens when u need to go back against compression and the gears are not there to assist ??? The rok is fine for overlanding ect but will stay away from proper trails ect again not the same tipe of car cant really compare the 2 but it is only my opinion.

The manual has low range and it works pretty damn good. Also, the use of engine compression while descending an incline is, in my opinion, pretty non-existent. It is much closer to a petrol engine in that respect, in that there isn't much.

HOWEVER... it has a very, very clever TC system that controls the vehicle impeccably on a downhill; on Gert se Klip at De Wildt I idled down in neutral under perfect control, only holding the steering wheel. Nice gadget and one that works.

Anyhoo; enough high jacking; if you can contribute any further info to the original gist of the thread, please do so!

Theunis, there is something I want to add:

At what lifetime does the Rok start needing things like timing belt replacement and replacement injectors?

I sincerely believe that (for a wide variety of reasons) the Rok will never be able to compare with a Troll off road, but on the other hand (and for very much the same reasons), the Rok probably beats the troll hands down on the road (I haven't driven one, but would be very surprised if it isn't).