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Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 15 Nov 2012 14:44
by Tinus lotz
dieselfan wrote:Tinus you do know I'm gay??
As in happy ;). Truth be told I'm quite impressed by these tyres also after having read an article that says thin and high is better than fat. I'll start another thread for that.
Alex my dad had around 10 km with the car. I see no replies on the tyre pressure.
Roy i spoke to mr boegman that has 2 of these his reply was get bigger (33) takkies or invest in a kidney belt
the has 305 70 16 on his and runs them at between 1.8 and 3 bar depends on load the said that 285 75 16 witch is also a 33 will work better
the tires that you got on now is 32 if it is the 235 80 16?
when you put the camper on the back you are gonna have the tekkies at like 3 bar and then its not going to be nice .......same story applies more rubber more grip wider footprint in sand grips better on rocks ect.
Gerrit said a very true thing at 3 provencis best all terain tire is a mud terain
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 15 Nov 2012 17:39
by Tinus lotz
these are lekke!!!!
- dis hoe friendly patrols moet lyk
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Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 15 Nov 2012 17:46
by Tinus lotz
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 16 Nov 2012 10:07
by Tinus lotz
- mooi patrollie lorrie
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just to give you a better peak at what i call eye candy and they work well to
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 16 Nov 2012 10:14
by Tinus lotz
Roy
i am under the impresson you are putting a camper on the back. where are you going with the spare wheel
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 17 Nov 2012 22:48
by dieselfan
They'll have two spares on the back.
Here's some pics from today doing some mild testing with the Disco as backup
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 18 Nov 2012 17:23
by Russ Kellermann
Gerrit Loubser wrote:Alex Roux wrote:Gerrit, I am interested in what you think about this:
Two bakkies, one Patrol and one LC. Both Stock standard, Both 4.2 NA engines. Same drvier and same obstacle.
Is it all even?
Difficult question as it would depend on the particular obstacle to some extent. Difficult also for me to answer, as I don't know the pick-ups that well in a practical sense. In some respects I suspect the Patrol pick-up has the edge, while the Cruiser leads in others:
Patrol pick-up advantages (in terms of offroad mobility):
1) Almost indestructible drivetrain
2) Better angle of approach (20% better)
3) 15% smaller turning circle
4) Better angle of departure (but only by 3%)
5) 7% Shorter wheel base and essentially same size wheels should result in better break over angle
6) Turbo-charged motor maintains power rating to higher altitude
7) Lower height and wider track would probably mean more stability (difference probably less than 10%)
8) Shorter overall length (but only very slightly)
Cruiser pick-up advantages (in terms of offroad mobility):
1) Standard front and rear differential locks
2) 20% Lower crawling ratio, given very similar tyre sizes on the two (crawling ratio: 1st gear ratio x low range ratio x final drive ratio)
3) Smaller overall width (but not even by 4%)
4) Better ground clearance (but only by 4% and this is probably due to the Patrol's massive rear crown wheel size, as this dimension would be taken below that diff)
5) Lighter tare mass (by 6% or so)
6) Sligthly better maximum torque rating (but the motor is naturally aspirated and will lose out at altitude)
In the lists I have tried to sort of organise the points roughly in order of importance (in general).
Most times I would put my money on the Cruiser going where the Patrol can't, but that is just because of the standard front and rear diff locks. If it were not for those, I would reckon that it would be the other way around.
I agree wholeheartedly with Gerrit's final statement, and i have used both vehicles extensively, so i am not being biased.
I would like to add though that i believe the Patrol to have better flex (articulation) over the Cruiser. This i reckon can be due to a few factors, but mostly due to:
1: NO rear sway bar on the patrol
2: Different location point of the rear leafs to the chassis (flatter leaf for the Patrol, less arc when compare to cruiser)
3: Different spring rate
4: Wider trackwidth offering increased leverage on the leaf packs.
5: Front sway bar very thin compared to cruiser.
Ps: Love these bakkies. This is mine....
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 18 Nov 2012 23:13
by dieselfan
Sweet ride Russ! If I didn't have kids...
Having compared to the two quite a bit recently though I want to add
- Width is noticeable as we've been able to widen the canopy vs the cruiser specs +- 150mm
- Length of bin shorter by +-100mm
If it means anything...
The size of the pumpkin vs the two is day and night. The LC's front is small, the Patrols front is bigger than any double cabs rear - that I've seen. We conclude it as follows, if the LC is so great than the Patrol should be better. I know I'm not a mechanical engineer I'm basing this on looks. Either way the 4.2 has reignited my love of diesels.
On the trail the 4.2 Patrol is quieter than the D3! Every now and then the viscous fan on the D3 comes on, the Patrol tjoep still.
I drove around 300km the other day and popped the motor when I got home with my dad, barely any heat radiating from it. Open the D3...these older large cc engines barely work.
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 19 Nov 2012 02:31
by Tinus lotz
Ja and now they go and put a 3l in it
the patrol has proven its self for many years and now they go and change it
Re: Proud Patrol owner...kinda
Posted: 19 Nov 2012 06:14
by Russ Kellermann
Iwonder if the change to the ZD30 has anything to do with gas emission laws coming into pay? Either way,they should still keep the TD42/Ti models as an option, particularly in Africa and Auz..
