Defender vs Patrol

[Jorrie]

OOMpie,

Waar is jy Saterdag?

[Kagiso II]

by die Pretoria huisie - bikki opruiming daar MOET gedoen word..

hukko?? ko jykoffi proe ??

[Jorrie]

Oompie

Jammer, ek te laat hier gekyk. Sal jou in die week bel.

[Clem]

Koos how is the 2.4 PUMA engine the highest mileage engine in europe?t

Mate of mine has just dropped near on R40 k on repairing a Puma engine - sub-100k km. Guess what? It's got stretch bolts in the head which were the cause of the problem. Remember the R6 anyone? Looks like its back in turbo-diesel form.

[Clem]

I also still struggle to understand why the Gelandewagen has such a great reputation. In my opinion one could do much better for the money.

Which is exactly one reason I bought the GRX instead of a G-Wagen. Good car but wildly overrated IMHO. And by the way, I have a thing for Mercedes, which is why most days my daily driver is an AMG I've had for 10 years.

[Clem]

Traction, 110 wins, ek is hier 110% seker daarvan
Articulation, no contest 110 wins
Towing , 110 wins
Gearbox , 110 wins
Economy , 1110 wins

Traction is a function of tyres and wheel size more than anything else.

I couldn't give a toss about the 110's articulation. The lack of a rear locker means it won't go where the Patrol goes - in standard form anyway.

Towing....I want to see it run with my 4.8.

Land Rover primary transmissions have never been great but transfer boxes are indestructible. Hopefully the new primary boxes are better. You need to look at the whole drive train. The Patrol is massively constructed.

Economy - right up until the stretch bolts go "Boo!".

[marakasmalan]

Land Rover jokes are like mother-in-law jokes: greatly exagerated but originating from an undeniable truth...

Land Rovers are old technology (apart from new alien/non-LR engine,gearbox & dash) sold at modern prices.
Land Rovers have reliabilty issues.
Land Rovers have been making mechanics out of ordinary men for more than 60 years.

Land Rovers are also affordable 2nd hand and parts are available freely ( and not without reason.)
Land Rovers have a very loyal following and fairly pointless arguing with these fans - let them be.

I've never seen a Land Rover defender at Atlantis get over places where the Patrol GQ can't go, but the opposite I have seen many times. Same goes for Hennops 4x4 and the Hennops Pride Eco trail.

In Lesotho, when the roads get rough, the Defenders do not keep up with me, in spite of the turbo advantage at altitude.

More importantly, the video that started that clip was posted by autoexpress.co.uk - the British can get VERY patriotic, passionate and nostalgic about things like the Spitfires, Fodens, LR's etc. In fairness the brits did set the course of the future in many disciplines and made sure we are not reading this forum in German, though in very few instances did they manage to stay at the forefront and unfortunately history have many skeletons of these british pathbreakers strewn along the way.

It may be worth aknowledging that Land Rover is one of the few, though not really british anymore, that is still around.

Regards

[Clem]

I currently own three Land Rovers and one of them has taken me to some pretty remote areas and across some of the worst roads in Africa. As a result, I have a great fondness for them. Incidentally, much of the technology in my 4.8 GRX is really very, very dated. But it is based on well proven designs and is a massively robust piece of kit and therein lies the secret of its appeal.

[marakasmalan]

Incidentally, much of the technology in my 4.8 GRX is really very, very dated. But it is based on well proven designs and is a massively robust piece of kit and therein lies the secret of its appeal.

Agreed, but "based" on, not "exactly the same since". The drivetrain and mechanical aspects on both (well, ALL if you consider progress of LC's etc) are always based on the previous model. However, the current LR axles are the same as back in 1980, only the dimensions changed and in 1980 the development was to change from 10 to 24 splines on the halfshaft. Anyway, as far as I know.

The difference is that LR did not keep up with other developments, body panels are still pop rivited etc and comforts that is nowadays accepted as the norm is still found missing on the LR - the pop rivit bodywork doing no favours for cabin noise, the seating position and seats is not comfortable for long distance travel etc.

Land rover guys are happy with the noisy interior. It doesn't bother them that it is not that fast or not that comfortable. Garage days and running repairs make for great socialising with mates. Having a raincoat under the seat for driving when it rains is some form of bragging right. It is a mindset, a hobby. They love it, they even tell LR jokes to each other and laugh about it.

It was also a LR that made my first Botswana safari a reality. Yes, we did tow back one of the three Land Rovers and all of them and some or other pain that developed during the trip and I now do know every parts shop and scrapyard in Kuruman as well as a very nice guest-house. But we did it, an experience I'll always remember. And very few people can claim they kept the exhaust shop in Upington open after hours as to weld an A-frame from exhaust tubing. It is a mental asylum, difficult to understand or justify for the outsider but enjoyed and appreciated by a ninche group that does not seem to alter their ways - even after 60 years.

For me: I prefer the Patrol, not a perfect world by any means - but the practiclity, functionality and ability of the vehicle appeals to me far more than telling jokes about walking home with Jack Russels offerd free of charged by the dealerships.

[Clem]

IMHO, you can't entirely compare the Patrol and the Defender. They're wildly different machines. A fairer comparison would be with the Discovery or Range Rover. An example: Land Rover has had permanent 4wd drive since...before 1984 IIRC. My Patrol doesn't have it yet, some 30-odd years later. Don't get me wrong. I chose to buy a Patrol instead of a Land Rover for a number of reasons. One of them being durability and another its live axles (the GU series being the last with these AFAIK). Its older but well proven technology.