Nissan Patrol 4x4 (Africa)

Roy, I firmly believe that in terms of bakkies, wheelbase is not a big factor as they are fairly similar.

Any bakkie is likely to be a handfull in this regard as the rear end is often very light, but the suspension is designed to handle a relatively heavy load. But since the Toyota is the bakkie most often used as a workhorse, it is perhaps somewhat worse in this respect than others, particularly vehicles like the Navara and Triton, which seem to be specifically aimed at the leisure market.

In such a situation where the rear end is pretty light and the suspension relatively hard, and particularly on a corrugated dirt road, the rear wheels will not be in firm contact with the ground very often.

For what it's worth though, and from Google (so no guarantees):

wheelbase:
Hilux: 3085, Triton: 3000, Navara: 3200
Track:
Hilux: 1510, Triton: 1505/1500, Navara: 1570

Peter Connan wrote:Roy, I firmly believe that in terms of bakkies, wheelbase is not a big factor as they are fairly similar.

Any bakkie is likely to be a handfull in this regard as the rear end is often very light, but the suspension is designed to handle a relatively heavy load. But since the Toyota is the bakkie most often used as a workhorse, it is perhaps somewhat worse in this respect than others, particularly vehicles like the Navara and Triton, which seem to be specifically aimed at the leisure market.

In such a situation where the rear end is pretty light and the suspension relatively hard, and particularly on a corrugated dirt road, the rear wheels will not be in firm contact with the ground very often.

For what it's worth though, and from Google (so no guarantees):

wheelbase:
Hilux: 3085, Triton: 3000, Navara: 3200
Track:
Hilux: 1510, Triton: 1505/1500, Navara: 1570

Thanks, interesting that the Hilux falls between two that don't exhibit these issues, I think you're right with the leisure comment.

Just odd that the previous Hilux never had these issues?

Roy, they did but it was less well documented.

Also, at that time there weren't really any "leisure only" bakkies available?

Julle almal se spekulasies is ± geldig en het 'n invloed, maar almal is 'n funksie van spoed.

Daardie Fortuners het 'n lekker enjin en dit help nie die saak nie. Ook is daar die statistiese voorkoms van Toyota in SA wat beslis gaan beteken daar is meer voorvalle.

Wat ek pes van die Patrols, is op hoë spoed maak daardie panhard rods vir jou werk oor slegte gate... Wat wel help met die Patrols is die massa, wat vir jou 'n redelike velocity vector to gevolg het asook die swaar drivetrain, waarvan die COG heel onder hang.

By Rust de Winter het ons die "speed section" redelik vreesloos aangepak, en dit was maar net draaie tot jy blou word, maar nooit het ek die gevoel gekry die trol wil omvoeter nie. Ons het die tweede vinnigste tyd opgestel (1:49) ten spyte daarvan dat ons een draai ge-Allan Donald (= wydloper / E: wide ) het en moes stop-reverse-go. Iemand met 'n SVM V8 het ons met 5 sekondes geklop en ons was weer op ons beurt 12 sekondes voor nommer 3.