Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
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Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
I have revised the design of the QD system by designing a quick-release ball joint:
To disconnect, slide the collar upwards and move the female joint away: Reconnecting is simply the reverse.
These can be used both front and rear, and come in M12 (for the GU) and M10 (for the GQ). The existing top bushes are retained and the QD joint is joined to the chassis by a threaded bar, so it is easy to taylor to any lift.
For the front, and assuming basically standard suspension concept is retained, I believe one can get away with just disconnecting one end. A kit consisting of one disconnect and one longer fixed link will cost R1900
If the suspension is not lifted, i could leave the one end standard and just replace the other side at R1500.
If the front suspension has Superflex arms, X-link or 5-link conversion, you would have to disconnect both sides, in which case the kit will cost R2400.
For the rear, I think one would need to disconnect both ends. For GQ's, a kit will be R2400, for GU's R2750.
I have a few joint available if anybody wants.
Update June 2020:
As discussed later in the thread, one customer had an issue with these. As a result, I have revised my offering somewhat.
I do not offer these for use on the front axle anymore. Instead, I have reverted to the previous system. Please see this thread for more information: https://www.patrol4x4.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=6622
For the rear, I fit these on both sides, and they need to be disconnected on both sides. If they are, they work correctly and cause no damage. I have them on my car and have been using them like that for the last 2 1/2 years with no issues. Also, Wilhelm van Rooyen has had a full set (QD mk.1 front and these on the rear), combined with an X-link on his 4.5 turbo for several months with no complaints.
To disconnect, slide the collar upwards and move the female joint away: Reconnecting is simply the reverse.
These can be used both front and rear, and come in M12 (for the GU) and M10 (for the GQ). The existing top bushes are retained and the QD joint is joined to the chassis by a threaded bar, so it is easy to taylor to any lift.
For the front, and assuming basically standard suspension concept is retained, I believe one can get away with just disconnecting one end. A kit consisting of one disconnect and one longer fixed link will cost R1900
If the suspension is not lifted, i could leave the one end standard and just replace the other side at R1500.
If the front suspension has Superflex arms, X-link or 5-link conversion, you would have to disconnect both sides, in which case the kit will cost R2400.
For the rear, I think one would need to disconnect both ends. For GQ's, a kit will be R2400, for GU's R2750.
I have a few joint available if anybody wants.
Update June 2020:
As discussed later in the thread, one customer had an issue with these. As a result, I have revised my offering somewhat.
I do not offer these for use on the front axle anymore. Instead, I have reverted to the previous system. Please see this thread for more information: https://www.patrol4x4.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=6622
For the rear, I fit these on both sides, and they need to be disconnected on both sides. If they are, they work correctly and cause no damage. I have them on my car and have been using them like that for the last 2 1/2 years with no issues. Also, Wilhelm van Rooyen has had a full set (QD mk.1 front and these on the rear), combined with an X-link on his 4.5 turbo for several months with no complaints.
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
Sho Peter!
This is very cool...
Question time pls.
I am most likely going to have to replace my suspension next year sometime & I think I will be going with a 3" lift.
Would I need to come to you for a custom setup with the lift??
This is very cool...
Question time pls.
I am most likely going to have to replace my suspension next year sometime & I think I will be going with a 3" lift.
Would I need to come to you for a custom setup with the lift??
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
I am definitely in for a set at the rear, just still waiting to hear from David on those GU anti sway bars to try and get the GQ as "stiff" as possible.
But I think it would be a bit of a modification on mine with the extreme lift
But I think it would be a bit of a modification on mine with the extreme lift
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
Front and back for me please. Will transfer the existing fronts to the Firetruck after you do a small mod for me.......
Gentleman - If you prefer having your sway bars connected onroad you need to look at these seriously as the extra articulation makes a massive difference.
eg 1. River trip - Just had the front disconnected and after 3 days needed the diffloc for the first time. Diffloc not working and made it up without the diffloc yet others whose diffloc was not working needed to be winched up.
eg 2. A property I need to get onto for work has a nasty little hill with a hole in front and cross axle. Used to do it in 4L and with diffloc if wet. Both front and back are currently disconnected and did it last week in the wet in 2H.
Gentleman - If you prefer having your sway bars connected onroad you need to look at these seriously as the extra articulation makes a massive difference.
eg 1. River trip - Just had the front disconnected and after 3 days needed the diffloc for the first time. Diffloc not working and made it up without the diffloc yet others whose diffloc was not working needed to be winched up.
eg 2. A property I need to get onto for work has a nasty little hill with a hole in front and cross axle. Used to do it in 4L and with diffloc if wet. Both front and back are currently disconnected and did it last week in the wet in 2H.
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
Peter,
Will the links themselves be adjustable?
So if you bought a set for a STD vehicle & then later fitted a lift kit , could they be adjusted to be fitted again?
Will the links themselves be adjustable?
So if you bought a set for a STD vehicle & then later fitted a lift kit , could they be adjusted to be fitted again?
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
They will be adjustable but only a little bit.
However, if more change is needed, we only need to replace the threaded bar. Which won't cost more than a few bucks.
However, if more change is needed, we only need to replace the threaded bar. Which won't cost more than a few bucks.
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
Peter, I already have OME sway bar extension bracket and kit in the rear because of the slight lift (30mm). Does this have a bearing on matters? Can provide image if required.
Let me understand correctly: A full kit is 4 x R1900 = R 7600?
Probably more useful than a front diff locker.
Let me understand correctly: A full kit is 4 x R1900 = R 7600?
Probably more useful than a front diff locker.
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
Clem, I will probably remove them as I believe the longer the links are the better. Perhaps you can then sell them to somebody else.
Price will be R4850 for a full kit that consists of double disconnects for the rear and a single disconnect for the front, with a longer link for the one that remains attached.
However, I do believe a front locker is considerably better than this, in terms of increasing traction under difficult conditions, but this will be better in specialized cases (such as when you need maximum traction while also turning, and improving vehicle stability on axle-twisting sideslopes).
Price will be R4850 for a full kit that consists of double disconnects for the rear and a single disconnect for the front, with a longer link for the one that remains attached.
However, I do believe a front locker is considerably better than this, in terms of increasing traction under difficult conditions, but this will be better in specialized cases (such as when you need maximum traction while also turning, and improving vehicle stability on axle-twisting sideslopes).
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
Guys, these don't work quite as well as i had hoped.
This product is retracted pending my sorting out the issues they create...
Anybody who has any use for these for some other purpose than Patrol sway bars is welcome to contact me, as i had to have several sets made to make it financially viable. The problems experienced are not related to the joints themselves but to how they interact with the rest of the vehicle.
This product is retracted pending my sorting out the issues they create...
Anybody who has any use for these for some other purpose than Patrol sway bars is welcome to contact me, as i had to have several sets made to make it financially viable. The problems experienced are not related to the joints themselves but to how they interact with the rest of the vehicle.
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Re: Anti-sway bar disconnects Mark 2
Hi Peter,
How did that happen? Care to explain the issue? They looked so good and I liked the concept.....
How did that happen? Care to explain the issue? They looked so good and I liked the concept.....
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