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Re: Looking for a diesel GQ

The basic standard 4.2 petrol GQ's go for around the R50-60 mark on average, but with extras can go up a bit .... having said that that, the 4.2 diesel GQ's tend to go for a slightly higher price, I believe purely on the rarity of them. The ones with a SAFARI turbo fitted are worth even more than a standard turbo conversion ( purely due to the SAFARI turbo kit specific for the Patrol - imported from Australia) I know of one GQ 4.2 diesel Patrol fully kitted that if you offered R145 000 for I believe you would be getting the deal of a lifetime. That is how fantastic that Patrol is !!!

On Yours, I believe you got a good deal there. A few scratches..... phhhhhhh ... .that adds character. Personally I would never wrap a car. A slight bit of rust or moisture stuck under that wrap will leave you with a big headache later on. I would rather take it to a panelbeater and let them rub down and repair any problem areas and respray. Then you are good to go for many, many km's

Now the turbos..... this is a difficult area. The turbos are low boost turbos. Generally they are set in JHB to 0.5bar. this is basically an altitude compensator. Down at the coast your NA diesel runs only fractionally slower/less powerful than, for an example my 4.2 turbo diesel up here in JHB. But let me come down to the coast and :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: my Patrol moves like it has just eaten that Mother in law Durban curry and needs to get to the loo where the :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: frozen toilet paper is ..... NOW!!!! :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Push that boost up to 0.7bar, and the power difference is phenominal !! The Aussies push up over 1 bar boost. That makes the Patrol a little massive rocket....... but there is a price to pay!! Water overheating is an issue and can cost a good few Rands to rectify. EGT's ( Exhaust gass temperatures ) are a HUGE issue that needs to be maintained and monitored, again there is a price to pay. So... Its all about what you want from the Patrol.
by ricster
17 Mar 2015 15:35
 
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Re: Looking for a diesel GQ

Please note that any GQ turbo you find is either a grey import (thus parts become an issue and Nissan expect you to pay a 100% non-refundeable deposit on any parts orders), or a modified vehicle.

Some of them are very good, some of them are terrible, so be careful.
by Peter Connan
17 Mar 2015 17:36
 
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Re: Tejan Pillay (DMH) 95 GQ Patrol 4.2D

Hi Tejan, and a warm welcome to this very friendly forum.

About 2 years ago, I went to a scrap yard, I think in Gokul road Isipingo, to view what I had thought was a Y61, however it was your shape but petrol. If you look up scrap yards in that area you will probably find the Patrol. I cannot remember if it had the lights at the back as I left as soon as I realized it was not a Y61. The picture on the internet was not too clear or maybe I was too keen.

I am now living in Hibberdene, but if you are not able to find the scrap yard, I will locate it for you on my next trip to Durbs.

Kind regards.

Barry
by gupster
06 Mar 2015 17:50
 
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Re: Looking for a diesel GQ

Please note that any GQ turbo you find is either a grey import (thus parts become an issue and Nissan expect you to pay a 100% non-refundeable deposit on any parts orders), or a modified vehicle.

Some of them are very good, some of them are terrible, so be careful.


Peter, would you mind elaborating on how they're terrible?

And are you specifically talking about the 4.2TD GQs?

Anything to look out for on the 4.2D's?

Thanks

I am not talking about the basic engine, there is nothing wrong with that. In it's standard form, it is one of the most reliable engines ever fitted to a car.

I am specifically talking about turbo conversions done by unknown parties. There are some people who's work you can trust any day of the week and twice on sundays, but unfortunately there are no rules about who may do what work on a vehicle.

And a turbo conversion on a diesel vehicle has the potential to ruin that engine if it's done by somebody without the required knowledge.

So a good conversion is potentially both powerful and bulletproof, but a bad one can cost you a lot of money.

So all I am saying is, if you are looking at a GQ turbodiesel in SA, do as much homework as you can:
1) How long (in kilometers) ago was the conversion done?
2) Who did the work (and then what is their reputation)?
3) Look at the visible quality of any work done. These are probably not the items that will cause problems, but are an indication of the approach followed.
4) Is there an EGT gauge fitted, and was it fitted during the conversion? If there is, what does the current owner consider maximum allowable temp?
5) Is there a service history?
6) During the test drive, work it fairly hard up a long hill and check for any signs of high EGT's and high water temps.
by Peter Connan
19 Mar 2015 17:50
 
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Re: Looking for a diesel GQ

I'm going to jump in here quick before Peter answers you.

The TD42's are generally VERY robust, but were never designed to be turbo'ed. There are threads here ( http://www.patrol4x4.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=2162&hilit=silver+top+vs+black+top and http://www.patrol4x4.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=4274&hilit=silver+top+vs+black+top )

Now the confusing parts..... My 1999 GU Diesel Patrol has a " black top" TD42 motor. It has 30mm gudgeon pins, and has oil squirters under the pistons, but vacuum pump runs off the timing chain and not off the back of the alternator. So it seems I have a mixture of a silver and black top. However mine is not unique. I have seen 2 others with the same setup as mine, so I'm thinking Nissan sent a whole whack of 4.2 diesel GU patrols to SA with "old stock" motors that they chucked together. This is great news for us with the GU's.

Yours is more likely than not a "black top" TD42, due to the age. So is it a good one, or a terrible one ( terrible one may be a bit of a harsh word ), it's a bit difficult. Post a few pics of the motor from all directions even from the bottom. Due to the mileage ( these motors are good for at least 500 000km ), if you are willing to spend the money on a good turbo and intercooler and bigger radiator and extra external oil cooler ( the last two not a necessity, but will definitively help keep the temps down ) as well as a good EGT gauge, then rather go the whole hog. Open the motor and replace the bearings, check the pistons and rings and sleeves for wear and replace as necessary. Then you know all is good for another 500 000Km.

Service every 5000Km !!!!!
by ricster
19 Mar 2015 14:58
 
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Re: Looking for a diesel GQ

Nice !!!!!.... silver top too !!!!

Power hose makes that motor shine !!!..... just don't use a direct pin point water stream as it may cut some rubber pipes
by ricster
20 Mar 2015 11:12
 
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Re: Alternator - 4.2 diesel GQ

It depends on your charging system and batteries.

If your second battery is a deep-cycle, you can't really push more than 25 Amps or so into it. Your main battery can only take say 40-45 A.

So, a 60A alterntor is enough, unless you get into a situation where you have flattened both batteries and need to charge them while simultaneously while also operating lights, air con etc.

There is however no disdvantage I know of in uprating, except for the cost.
by Peter Connan
20 Mar 2015 15:03
 
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UAE Al Ghayathi Exploration.

Hi folks,
so we had a group of 7 cars, 2 Patrols (Auto, stock tyres/Rims: Y61 mine, and Y62 V8 trip Leader Will), 2 JEEP Wranglers TJ, 1 Jeep Wrangler JK (all 2 doors, lifted and larger tyres), Stock Nissan Xterra, and Modified LWB Auto Prado V6 petrol. 3 Spaniards, 1 New Zealander, 3 Brits (including me, but of Indian Origin)

Packed 3 20l jerry cans, and I rarely do this, but packed my toolbox, I drive a Patrol Y61, but something told me that it was needed.

We drove on Tarmac for roughly 380kms to 1st night campsite, which was tarmac all the way, refueled around 60 kms before at last petrol station. I was the 2nd last to arrive, and had my dinner, and consumed 2 Weiss Biers and a swig of Whiskey before we bedded down. The route was driving through the remotest desert scape of UAE, not a single track for the first 30kms to escape, 3 of the previous trip members had a bad taste in their mouth from a similar trip attempted 2 months earlier, where one member of that trip, not on this one though, turned up with a broken Auto box, on a LWB Y61 Safari patrol!

Anyhow we set off with enthusiasm, after a good night rest. Within the first 30 minutes, the prado gets bogged to the chassis on talcum powder sand, drivers is reversing for a while, then stops as he is just digging deeper. Luckily he has a winch, the only winch in the group, and I use my Patrol as an anchor. Driver mentions that his reverse is not engaging. After about an hour of trying we let the Prado return home, as their is a serious issue with the transmission, all attempts to understand what is the fault fail, therefore repair is possible. We borrow his extra fuel and escort him to the Tarmac.

Anyhow we move on, and the leader and his Y62 get stuck, and I get stuck, the JEEP vs Patrol rivalry flares into bickering.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/eas9o920ukkucyu/AABIMBwerT-vk2KfyAiwO3Nda?raw=1

I have a tally of perhaps 4 stucks by now, The y62 has around 4 as well, the Jeep boys are all complaining about our buses. Progress is around 6.3km/h!!!!

Now to add spice to the situation, around 10:30 the xterra driver shares his outside temperature reading, 42 C!!!!, we were expecting a max of 36 at mid day. After about 40 degrees, digging, walking in deep sand and generally doing anything other than drinking fluids (not alcohol) will make your mind Numb.

All 3 Jeep drivers are not sitting in cooled cabins, and have opened the roof or windows, which does not help. 1 very vocal and shall we say supercharged jeep driver suffers dehydration, but the leader a Y62 driver rescues him by pulling out a ORS powder pack and my chilled water bottle from my centre console! 1 for the Patrols!
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/wg2q4qhica9xxaz/AACQtWTZr4HZ-bB7LZAEvGPma?raw=1

So patrol driver take turns on announcing on the radio channel to drink fluids, the Spaniards are fairly new the UAE and don't stop drinking beer, maybe they didn't pack sensible fluids, ohhh but they can't as they have no space!

Anyhow we make well deserved stop of lunch, and cut the route by 50 kms....after all it is desert, and if you have seen 1 dune, you have seen most of them.

just some photos of our progress to campsite, which now turned to 15km/h as the hardest section was completed, the dunes are spread out with large flat areas, and the talcum powder section was behind us now.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/9bfkw37hl2vh5i7/AAD_1BfJHr0kHLCGkpugtUECa?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/jrzq5ga7p2znksa/AABSs0w0WAWlPGUtTYPaE1jfa?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/228ofb9rn0fiukn/AACA8yfKLiRKDUu3K1-K1fHYa?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/e8iq20g7rnb8vqr/AAATRJJiR_xw6jz7aOxo3RsZa?raw=1

As we reached the camp, the yellow Jeep driver shares that his front left control arm is broken, we all look and see that it failed at the weld and metal fatigue of the control arm bracket on the front diff tube. The damage must have been sustained on a previous trip, but this outing the metal and weld finally gave way. He mentions that he can drive, but hears the control arm rubbing against something underneath, and takes easier lines.

So we reach campsite location after cutting the route again, and setup over some beers, we are all tired and wanting food and drinks. One of the jeep drivers, Antonio brought all that is needed to make a Spanish Paella from scratch, and wow what an effort, I cook some German sausages that go well down well with everyone as a starter. Night discussion are on JEEP vs Patrol, a trip to Iran, Jeep Vs Patrol, Russian vodka, Jeep Vs Patrol, we camped near a camel spider nest and observe around 20 of the buggers, and 2 run into the fire, Jeep Vs Patrol continues, self recovery Vs towing another car etc etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/i0m237ivj7esc3o/AABUqTb8RTLgi8r-DMErPh5na?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/1i7ilc75wb6ysa1/AACtnDzJ2YzCDg8ackK6SEofa?raw=1

Next morning we set off, and here is the campsite, at the top of the dune you will notice a car stuck, this is the leader and Y62 driver....a Jeep TJ goes to rescue him....and gets stuck with both cars attached to a tow rope and jeep is not able to release the tension to free the rope...I am asked to help and progress to tow both of them out.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/qaf332nfg8av5bk/AABpJc7D7N5NaDVArRgpWfV5a?raw=1

Anyhow we move along, with out incident, and the dunes are the highest and allow for large vistas of view from this area.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/4jezkp9f30rvpri/AADvomJ3VIqiUTiZmzwaWMGZa?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/rbtq9itrh989llt/AABNP6Gx5m7JQpG8yOgWhbBTa?raw=1

We move along from Campsite, with almost no stucks, 15kms from the end, the Yellow JK wrangler gets caught in a bowl.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9w5xginqqb0sb07/DSC_0239.JPG?dl=0

He digs himself a path in front, and drives out, a minute later he announces that he has no steering. We all take a look and find that the steering linkage has been caught up with the front stabiliser bar bolts. We all gather round and decide the wrangler needs steering, and no way to tow her out, so we take a look at disconnecting the stabiliser, the Jeep boys look at each other as they have no tools between them, luckily I had calculated that 3 jeeps on a trip is high probability of some repair work required and pull out my tool box.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tp5u2uo6thypqi5/DSC_0243.JPG?dl=0

We proceed to remove the stabiliser bar from the droplinks on both sides and free the steering. below picture is me.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aa0044wbvqpn71t/20150411_120734.jpg?dl=0

I must admit that the bolts barely had any torque on them at all, and bolts that are so exposed I thought there would be some resistance from corrosion or dirt locked in, but my son's pram has more torque on the bolts than the jeep.

So we proceed out of the dunes through bowl after bowl, picking a line is very difficult for the Y62 leader as the sun is bright, and all the dune angles are not readable anymore.

Anyhow we manage to get to the track to lead us to the tarmac highway, the yellow jeep makes a stop at the police station, to get a accident report, and cautiously drives along.

This has probably claimed the most cars, and drivers of any trip and many of the trip members experience. The Jeep Vs Patrol, yes the jeeps are light and do not sink in the sand as much as a Patrol does, but Patrol's can carry tools, and enough fuel to drive through with the A/C on, and still have enough space to unload a jeeps content into.

Thanks for reading folks.
by vanhack
12 Apr 2015 14:25
 
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Car parts Database...online version

I have been using the following lately to get info on parts.

https://partsouq.com/en/catalog/genuine/locate?c=ne1210

They seemed to have updated the catalogue to around 2012 now, I know this as I can locate my car by VIN from the above link, instead of drilling down to my model.

Also has other brands, and fairly old listed vehicles too, my 20 year old BMW showed up, but BMW has been available on the web for a long while now.
by vanhack
30 Apr 2015 11:23
 
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Re: ZD30 cheap rebuild met fotos

Thanks for that Wilkie. I've done just over 305000km on my 2002 Hardbody ZD30. She hasn't given me any major problems - had the turbo serviced once.

Perhaps the issues she's been such an old faithful is because she's been superslow going up hills for as long as I can remember. My 4.2D GQ does better on some hills than her - and that says a LOT. So instead of waiting for any grenades to go boom, I'll get those injectors calibrated and tested. Anything else I should do or look out for chaps? I'm about to do an oil analysis for the first time. Very curious to see what that picks up (but of course it's the next couple of analyses that will really shed some light). Don't want to hijack this thread - so, happy to start a new one!


OOMPI STILL HI-JACKING THREAD :oldtimer:
Consider to replace the water hoses [especially the lower ones] Also the HEATER pipe [that thin as your thumb bugger that hides near the fire wall]
If the ZD 30 is sluggish, also throw out the CATs .. and sommer go 63 mm pipe right through .. no boxes needed.
Clean the intercooler as pften as possible
Clean the MAF sensor [VERY carefully] with ELECTRO KLEEN or Spanjaard Carb Cleaner [die anner goed los n lagie]

Fit a MADMAN EGT sensor
by Kagiso II
20 Jan 2016 17:07
 
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Re: 2005 Patrol 3.0D (ex) R65000

Hi Chaps

This may be of interest!
https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakkies/alberton/2005-nissan-patrol/1001997238280911187319109

What are your thoughts on the price?

I may very well be interested in such oneday - anyone done a Lexus conversion on one? Or just better putting in a 4.8? Especially for resale perhaps (best is just another ZD30)

How would a TD42 do in it?

He's in Alberton - called him yesterday - he's had it since 2010 - grenaded on him 2 years ago - was getting the engine sorted and ended up losing parts, etc and has since bought a bakkie so getting rid of it. Mileage surprisingly low!

Hi Tejan

For that price, I assume the ZD30 engine is not working at the moment. I would still negotiate him down to 50k
As I understand the TD42 would do nicely in there.
No bellhousing necessary, gear ratios are fine and relatively simple conversion (I speak for others, as I am light years away from doing this myself!)

The 4.8 conversion is probably the most complex, in terms of wiring, and not a cheap engine, or easily found. You will essentially need a donor car (one that has been written off from the rear, rather than side of front). This is because you will need to figure out which 40 of the 200 wires coming out of the ECU you need to reconnect - this is assuming the 3 liter diesel was manual (which for a 2005 model it most likely was).

I have a Lexus in my GU. No issues with it, but it is an expensive conversion, if you want it done properly (don't be fooled by the low price of the engine itself).
For every good Lexus conversion there are 10 bad ones. But that is not the engine's fault. It is because people try to cut corners in the operation.

If this was my project, given that I already have both a Lexus and a 4.8 conversion, would be the TD42.
But right now I am rather conversion fatigued!
by Alex Roux
04 Jun 2017 18:58
 
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Re: 2005 Patrol 3.0D (ex) R65000

Alex I second you all the way
There are more to just installing another motor to it and people musn't be fooled to think even a 4.2 DT is a simple conversion
There is a difference between propshaft length of a 3.0l manual a auto and a manual with the dual action flywheel....
some have spacers on the starter brackets and some don't
4 cyl cluster to a 6 cyl cluster
Power steering pipes
aircon pipes
radiator hoses and cowlings ..etc etc etc
Trust me ...the lists go on and on.....I have burnt many a hours
So my advice to anybody that wants to buy a Patrol.......don't think you getting a bargain if its not in a good original running condition... :naughty: :oldtimer:
by Wilkie
04 Jun 2017 21:06
 
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